Update HDMI-extractor-Board/box ->(3) different versions HDA20012/15/27

so, 😉

in further „inspecting/investigating“ the DSD-I2S-line via this hdmi-extractor a few posts before->http://essabre-90xx-rpi.sfb2.com/?p=2618  i´ve just read in the ps-audio-forum (many thx to „XA777“ there !!)->https://forum.psaudio.com/t/it-works-sony-ubp-x1000es-hdmi-audio-output-to-chinese-i2s-adapter-board-to-ds-sr-i2s-input/15630/51 „..I have 2 HDMI/MHL to I2S boxes: the cheaper one from Audiophonics in France;the board inside the box mentions HDA20012 TXC1. Native DSD via I2S works with Cambridge CXU, but the board cannot input native DSD and output DOP64 via COAX or Toslink. With my Musician Pegasus DAC the DSD L/R channels over I2S are swapped compared to PCM over I2S.“->(by that,theres a „mute“ possibility)

absolutely the same here..I´ve got the board from audiophonics (guess HDA20012 but in „V5“ because i have an option to swap the DSD-L/R via a jumper/soldering)->

thing is also that i didnt got any dop64 over coax..

„The other box is more expensive, costs about EUR 100,–.
the board inside this box mentions HDA20027 TXC1 pro.
Native DSD via I2S works with Cambridge CXU, and there is now DSD sound/audio on coax and toslink. With my Musician Pegasus DAC the PCM and DSD L/R channels over I2S are correct..“

here the new link with the box (+ another board in it->+ heat-spreader+other LEDS) from audiophonics (65€), but i don´t know the exact board/version in it !!>https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/diy-interfaces/digital-interface-hdmi-mhl-to-i2s-coaxial-optical-p-13419.html

okay, then it maybe work with a lot of I2S-DACs (with an I2S/hdmi-i2S-input) but i still got a heavy white noise with our chinese ES9038Q2Ms here..

(PS.: u get often „white noise“ if the pure DSD-signal is „altered“ in some way; maybe some volume-adjustments for example;->same with „Volumio“ for example; if didn´t turn the „volume-mixer“ to „off“ (no hardware nor software-mixer) i get a heavy „white noise“ there too..so i guess my „audiophonics hdmi-extraction-board“ (HDA20012) will append something to the DSD-signal/alter it..but don´t know what + how to disable it..(or it has something to do with the „channel-swap“; will post then more about it).

have to evaluate it a bit more, hope this helps a little bit for somebody with similar problems, + greets for now 😉

I2S over HDMI->short compendium TX/RX_C1 (PS-audio-standard) vs _C2 (newer) / pinout

so, 😉

as i bought some HDMI->I2S receiver-board, connected it via some hdmi-cable to my audiophonics-hdmi-extraction-board and got no sound at all 😉 , i just had to get more „in depth“ with the different hdmi-pinouts (namely C1 (PS-audio-standard) and C2..)

on my hdmi-extraction-board i have these description->

TX_C1„, means the „old“ PS-audio-standard“ with (in short) „Data-“ on Pin 1 (vs. „Data+“ on pin1 in TX_C2)->

so, and as i got a „TX_C1“ (hdmi-sender/transmitter) i just need a „RX_C1“ (hdmi-receiver)->easy as this 😉 

needless to say that i bought a „RX_C2“ for my „TX_C1“ 😉

(LINK Aliexpress (14$))

hope that helps a little bit (and i hope i got it right !!) and so we can get a little further in this great „DSD over I2S/HDMI-journey“ 😉 ..

many greets for now !! 😉

SACD_extract 0.3.9.3-099/-GUI / difference between Philips and Sony .dsf/.dsdiff-files

so, 😉

as i wanted to play finally my .dsf/.dff-files on the Sony BDP-S7200 (via USB, not to mention over DLNA) i´ve got always a file is corrupt or wrong media-format“ (->http://essabre-90xx-rpi.sfb2.com/?p=2618)..

found then by chance an article in which is written that the files has to be „flagged“ (more or less) as a Sony or Philips .dsf-file..

on www.sacdr.net they say:“Sony SACD-Format is DSF, Philips SACD-Format is DFF“ , don´t know if this is true/right but this leads me to the „sacd-extract.exe“ + GUI in which u can checkbox „Output as Philips dsdiff-file“ or „Output as Sony .dsf-file“..->

did it, and voilá:->it works !!“ 😉

u can get the „sacd_extract.exe“ (-0.3.9.3-99) from here->https://www.videohelp.com/software/sacd-extract

(direct-link Win64->https://www.videohelp.com/download/sacd_extract-0.3.9.3-99-win64.zip or here->http://essabre-90xx-rpi.sfb2.com/driver/sacd_extract-0.3.9.3-99-win64.zip)

the according GUI is here->https://sourceforge.net/projects/sacd-extract-gui/

(now in V1.5.0.1; they changed the gui a little bit)->

(also here->http://essabre-90xx-rpi.sfb2.com/driver/sacd_extract-gui-winforms-dotnet-1.5.0.1.zip)

okay, listen now to the .dsf-files but heavy white noised because of now little connection problems over I2S between the hdmi-extractor + ES9038Q2M, but will solder new I2S-sockets on it, we´ll see..

so many greets for now + much more to come !! 😉

Raspbi HAT ES9038Q2M / Ustars R38

so, 😉

found by chance this ES9038Q2M-HAT (38€, Aliexpress->LINK)..

interesting is that they use an „OPA1612“ (i´ve just ordered one too, because i´ve often seen ES9038Q2M with this op-amp and will test them against the other op-amps i have here (Burson V5i-D, AD797, OPA627AU , Muses8920 etc,etc..))

by that they say in the description:“..Professional IIS verarbeitung chip realisiert PCM/DSD ausgang. 2. unterstützung 32BIT/44,1-384KHZ DSD64-DSD128 ausgang“, means they found apparently another way („..professional I2S processing..“ to output DSD over I2S (which i, we hadn´t got solved here (we used then a usb-bridge (or „new“ now via HDMI))

u can also use an oled-display (+10$) directly connected (see pictures)..

else nothing new from here, greets for now !! 😉

Raspberry Pi 4 ->DSD(.dsf/.dff)-files over HDMI / HDMI to I2S-extractor arrived..

so folks 😉 ,

hooray, today the hdmi to i2s extractor (from audiophonics) arrived ! 😉 (more later)..

but first, these „Raspberry Pi 4 DSD over HDMI“-thing:

i´ve read the days that openelec, Volumio, Moode + picoreplayer are also capable to sent dsf/dff(DSD)-files via hdmi-out on the Pi-4..

thats also a very nice „alternative“ because u didnt have to use an usb-bridge (which is absolutely + in every way necessary) to play DSD-files from a Pi-(X) to an „chinese“ ES90XX-board..(we didnt get it to work only over I2S)..

the Pi-4 should now be capable of streaming (also multichannel-DSD) via HDMI (was not (or less) possible with the Pi´s before)..

i´m reading just now a lot of it and will post then more about it..

so, and yet to the (long awaited) „HDMI-I2S-extractor“ 😉 ..

„rock-solid“ (not soo heavy as the before mentioned Burr-Brown-implementation in the Philips Fidelio BDP9700), but very „steady“..

in first using and setting it up, it has 2 red LEDs flashing/blinking) and no picture/sound and i´ve read elsewhere before that u have to use a 5V external power-source (although its not necessary as per „description“)..

okay, feeded it with 5V,2A and had problems (again) with the I2S-line from the extractor to the „green“ (SMPCB) ES9038Q2M, not soo with the JY „Blue“ ES9038Q2M..

ended it up now with a coax-line from the extractor directly to the coax on the ES9038Q2M..(but only for now, for DSD(native) u need the I2S-line)

and got finally my lovely 192/24 😉

as said, very „solid“-sounding, almost like the Burr-Brown-Gear in the BDP-9700; very exact, another step in the „hi-fi“-direction..

so, the problem is now that my Sony BDP-S7200 should play .dsf/.dff-files (SACD in anyway) via usb/network, but don´t do 😉 

got/always say „file is corrupt or wrong media-format“, + i havent got a single !! SACD here, so i couldnt test the DSD-functionality (and that is/was originally the reason for all these devices lately !!) right now..(but i´m on it !!)..

and so, these Raspberry Pi-4 playing DSD-files via hdmi came to my mind..

(i do play here with volumio->usb-bridge->es9038q2m .dsf/.dff-files „in native“ but for test here the hdmi-i2s-extractor)..

(will post a lot more about it)..

so, many greets for now, hope u enjoy the pictures, much more to come 

and stay tuned !! 😉

Little update: ordered the hdmi to i2s extractor from Audiophonics..

so folks 😉 ,

a little update concerning the hdmi to i2s extractor->

bought/ordered it right now from audiophonics->https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/diy-interfaces/digital-interface-board-hdmi-mhl-to-i2s-coaxial-optical-p-15388.html

->we´ll have to see how it works out here..

but according to another user @aliexpress (he bought it with a black plastic case) it seems to work (toi,toi,toi (german phrase) 😉 ) also with a sony blurayplayer (guess he played a SACD)->

(don´t know the excact Topping-model/series he had there)

so, much more to come, many greets from here !! 😉

Got today the AK4113 digital receiver to I2S-output/ still at 96khz/24bit..

so, 😉

got today this little „gem“, the mentioned AK4113 Digital Receiver Board + LCD1602 Screen SPDIF Optical/Coaxial/I2S To I2S Converter“(LINK)

thought first i have to solder the pinheader for the LCD1602 by myself; but it was already soldered->

„powered“ it by a simple usb to 5V „converter“ but all i got at the end was 96khz/24bit via the hdmi-audio-extractor and also via the coax/toslink-output of the Sony BDP-S7200 and the Philips BDP9700/12->

tried all different settings in the system-menus from the both player (auto,bitstream,pcm etc.,etc.)->no success..also via the hdmi-extractor the max was 96/24..

but don´t know if the AK4113 detects (and displays) it accordingly; but the 3 manual settings on the extractor were „pass“,“2ch stereo“ and „5.1“..with the „pass“ and „2ch stereo“ i got only 48/24 max..has to „evaluate“ it more..

UPDATE 1: seems like these special 4k-hdmi-switch/audio-extractor only supports audio up to 96/24..so, be careful in choosing the right one !!

another thing was that i wanted originally connect the AK4113 via I2S (to bypass the spdif-conversion) to an ES9038Q2M, but absolutely no „lock“-light..thought about it a lot and i guess (at the moment) the I2S-line (-cables) are too long (ca.30cm)..(read it sometimes ago->“the i2s-line(-cables) has to be short as possible (5-10cm)..“

UPDATE 2: curiously, i´ve got the „lock“-light (and its playing) with the „blue“ ES9038Q2M; so, again, there is often a compability-problem with different devices..

greets for now + much more to come.. 😉

„Shame on me“->very nice „Burr Brown“ (uargh) implementation on a Philips BDP9700..

so, 😉

shame on me“ 😉 , but got today by chance a „Philips Fidelio“ (uargh, hell 😉 ) Blurayplayer BDP9700 „in“ and as u know, i HATE this „Burr Brown“-sound, for me its the sound u have to avoid by any chance, its exactly the opposite of this „airy“/“open-sounding“ of the later ES-Sabre-chips, i must say its the finest implementation of any Burr Brown-„gear“ i´ve ever had (okay, this thing/player costs originally above 500€ !!)..

but so „honor where honor is due„->very nice „craftsmanship“ (and thats the point by the later „Burr Brown“-implementations)..

the „sound“ is absolutely superb (FLACs till 24/192 over „internal“ stage/chinch), best BB i´ve ever had (as said), rock-solid, but misses these unbelievable ES-Sabre-advanced-bitstream-thing (the fabulous/enormous „soundstage“/“positioning“/“airy attitude“)..

but as u see (they used for example 2 toroidal transformer (one just for audio)) its absolutely made on a highest level of „craftsmanship“ and so u got a result which has also to be achieved..

picture-wise these player is worser than the other Sony BDP-S7200 which i also have here; by that the firmware is too old + buggy->the Sony (and the newer Sony UBP 4K-Player) are absolutely better IMO..

(these have btw. and as u surely know 2 x HDMI-out (1x for audio only) (absolutely „common usage“ nowadays)..(these Philips has also 2 x HDMI but u cant get DSD (via DLNA) over HDMI out)..

so, clear and rock-solid BB-sound here now (but not for long !!), in this sense, greets for now, more to come (especially about this HDMI->I2S-thing) !! 😉

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